THE WOLF'S DEN - Tana dei Lupi II

[DavidP]

they seem to be the official partners, the roma website links directly to them and all of the alternative websites offer 2 or 3 times the price. i guess getting them in rome is the easiest way but i'm planning to go in may for the rube match which might be sold-out by the time i get there.

[Lupa]

I'm sure there's probably a source for pics like that, Stef. If I can think of anything, I'll let you know. My usual sources for photos would be museums, but Roman graffiti is different.

I can't imagine when I'm going to be able to watch Roma play again. Maybe late March?

[RomaShield27]

Roma supporters trust MyRoma telling fans to boycott the Inter game and not go to the stadio. Using the slogan #TiAmoMaNonEntro

http://www.myroma.it/myroma-informa/ite ... entro.html

I'm not sure if its going to catch on. says opinion is split on how the fans should react, continue to protest against it or just move on (knowing that the issue will likely be dealt with and the ruling changed at the end of the season). I'm going to the Inter game, I'm not sure what will happen, but I'd like to go and support the team for sure (if I can get tickets – who knows). There's also more appeals in the works I think.

Totti on it:

"Roma are having a great season and we have a lot left to play for. As a squad, we really believe in ourselves. But we also need the support of our fantastic supporters who we are used to [having in the stadium] by now. To play with empty curve isn't the same and I felt an odd sensation on Sunday night even though I was sitting in the stands. I hope that our fans don't compromise the possibility of them being close to us from now until the end of the season".

Dave, I doubt the Roma-Juve game will sell out, or any game for that matter. Although if left to the last minute it could happen that the only tickets left available would be the expensive ones for the Monte Mario.

[DavidP]

heh, you think the scudetto race will be over before that match even starts? i just can't see us winning it in 36 giornate

[RomaShield27]

The scudetto race is already over, I think. If it ever really begun at all. Rube are just too good.

Good piece here summing up the whole territorial debate from Anto:

Roma Club Focus: Moment Of Clarity
/ Published On: Wed, Feb 19th, 2014 / By Anthony Wright

On the pitch, last weekend Roma gave a perfect response to the disappointments of the last week with an accomplished 3-0 win against Sampdoria, with Mattia Destro in particular answering many of his critics with a well-taken brace. In the stands though, things were a different story as the supporters continued inflammatory anti-Neapolitan chants despite the partial closure of the ground.

The crux of the issue lies long before last weekend. The rules about territorially discriminatory chants have already been changed twice this season, but even after the alteration to the law in October, the Gazzetta dello Sport still commented that “territorial discrimination, unlike the far more odious racial discrimination, is a difficult thing and is open to any type of interpretation and exploitation”.

In fact financial sanctions for territorial discrimination have been in the law books since 1994, but the problems began when the FIGC made it also punishable by stadium closures this season. Then last October, shortly after the adjustment to the rules, Roma were given a one-year suspended sanction of the closure of both curve for anti-Naples chants during the league meeting between the sides at the Olimpico. This was then imposed in addition to a further one-match ban for the chants during the recent cup clash, meaning the curve would be shut for two games – against Sampdoria and Inter.

As a protest at this decision before kick off on Sunday night, the Distinti Sud area of the stadium repeated the chants that had resulted in the curve being closed (“Vesuvius cover them with fire” and “I hate Naples”).

“Better a closed curva than a tamed curva,” stated one banner outside the Olimpico, while another one inside the ground implored, “There’s no true Roma without its fans, reopen the curve”.

Fans in the Monte Mario stand applauded the Distinti Sud’s chants before kick off (including noted journalist and former club press officer Daniele Lo Monaco), and after Destro opened the scoring the Distinti Sud started to sing “Vesuvius wash them with fire” again. In truth the repeated chants are more of a protest against the authorities’ decisions than anything else, as both the club and the fans are making a firm stand against what they perceive to be ambiguous and poorly designed regulations.

However the wrangle is starting to tarnish the club’s image as one that does not court controversy with referees and authorities and could even hurt the team on the pitch if the fans continue to cause parts of the stadium to be closed. Protesting against incoherent and ill-implemented rules is all well and good, but is likely to cause more harm than good given the improbability of a further rule change in the near future.

One of Roma’s real grievances lies with the fact that while chants against Neapolitans have been acted upon, others have gone unpunished. For instance, club general director Mauro Baldissoni cited the home supporters’ chants about “Roman bastards” during Napoli-Roma and the “we’re not dirty Romans” banner in the San Paolo to the appeal courts last weekend. Other chants that refer to the Superga tragedy have also gone unpunished, as were Fiorentina’s fans after they sang “we hate Bergamo” (the equivalent when Roma sing about Napoli has instead always been picked up by the Giudice Sportivo) and “Bergamasco, piece of ****” against Atalanta earlier this season.

While many chants are directed at the Neapolitans (not just from Romanisti), one banner previously unfurled by Napoli’s supporters highlights the attitude towards the territorial discrimination/jibes/insults (call it what you like). After Milan fans were banned from the San Paolo for calling Partenopei fans “cholera sufferers”, the home fans produced a banner that said “[We are] cholera sufferers. Now close our curva!”.

Baldissoni insists that the issue does not lie with the fans though, saying at a book presentation on Monday that, “it’s a problem with the system, not the supporters. It’s a problem with the football authorities and with who is in charge at the moment”.

The words came on the back of his comments before the Sampdoria game, when he said, “it’s hard to comment on the grotesque situation that Italian football is in. The rules are also considered to be questionable by [UEFA president Michel] Platini – their application has proved to be inconsistent and the punishments are incomprehensible. We can manage these sorts of episodes if the situation is credible, but we’re not at that point yet”.

However the problem shows no sign of letting up. The Giudice Sportivo have since fined Roma another €80,000 and ordered the Distinti Sud (the area that had repeated the anti-Naples chants during Roma-Sampdoria) to be closed for one game. As it stands, Roma will now have three sections of the ground closed for the next home game against Inter in 10 days time. Next Tuesday the High Court will decide on Roma’s appeal against the closure of the curve for the Inter match.

As poorly implemented as the rules are and having made their protests against them, Roma’s fans need to stop the chants to ensure they are actually able to support the team. “We need the support of our fantastic fans”, Francesco Totti wrote on his blog. “Playing in front of empty curve is not the same – I hope the fans won’t compromise the possibility for them to be close to us from now until the end of the season”.

The captain’s feelings were echoed by Baldissoni as he left the High Court on Tuesday, saying, “it’s clear the rules aren’t well defined and are applied in a questionable way, but it’s also true that Roma needs its own supporters and to deprive ourselves of them could start to become self-defeating”.

Whichever way the High Court rules next week though, it is clear that the real problem (not the fans, not the clubs) will not be resolved until the legislation is reviewed again and clarified so that everyone knows where they stand.

[maro]

Why is racial discrimination self-evidently "far more odious"?

[red]

Dunno.

Why does anyone take offence to anything?

I find it hard to comment on these things because I don't care what abuse is directed at me.

Continually see it in Scotland that Aberdeen brush it off and retaliate when abused.

Other teams then go crying off to the authorities and we're the ones who end up being viewed as the bad guys - just because we don't care what others have said and so don't take offence.

Discrimination on the basis on sexual preference will feature in any anti-discrimination legislation these days, but I'm yet to hear of any opposition fans being pulled up for calling us 'sheep-shaggers'.

There is significant publicity when we suggest to Celtic that they are 'in the wrong fucking country' - what with them flying Irish tricolours before games - though.

[Lupa]

[FedaynULTRA83]

[RomaShield27]

http://www.asroma.it/pdf/44_-_CAMPIONATO_ROMA-INTER.pdf

Roma v Inter ticket sale details released, Curva Nord and Distinti Sud are ON SALE, but are likely to be closed by the FIGC ruling. Its says if tickets are bought for these areas and then they're closed, you can exchange them, but for where, exactly? And do u have to pay the price difference? So I've I buy 2 Curva Nord tickets for €30 each, and its then closed, only section available is Tribuna Tevere, which cost €75 each? How does that work?

Any advice on what to do? Just buy 2 tickets for Tevere and be done with it? Will it likely sell out fast?

[RomaShield27]

La società interrompe la vendita dei biglietti

http://www.forzaroma.info/2014/02/20/la ... tti/315126

Chi avesse già in tasca il biglietto per il primo marzo potrà chiedere il cambio posto, annullando il tagliando precedentemente acquistato e prenotando un posto in tribuna, pagando la differenza.

They've now stopped selling Curva Nord/Distinti Sud tickets, as of today. So Tevere only (reasonable) place left to buy now. May sell out?

[stefano]

[RomaShield27]

[DavidP]

no such luck, fred. it keeps telling me i didn't fill out all of the required fields when i try to confirm. looked on their facebook page and they were being flooded with questions about the same problem and they don't seem to know how to help. i wouldn't be surprised if the tevere seats are really the only ones left for inter though. forget curva sud, even the nord is almost sold out for all of the remaining games.

[RomaShield27]

It worked for me today. I booked it through my home computer. I think if you get the error message once you'll keep getting it, because the website was designed by a fucking retard, so either try from a different machine/IP, or clear your cookies and try through a different browser.

The Tevere is almost sure to sell out v Inter. I got mine for section 38 for Tevere (), and they sell the tickets in numerical order), so will soon fill. The prices for anywhere on the Monte Mario side are ridiculous. Going to be a pretty shit atmosphere. To be honest, I wasn't even that fussed if I didn't get tickets in protest to all the closures, but since I'm over there I may as well. Collie isn't going 'cos he's a cheap arse southsider, plus there's some male figure skating on that night he wants to watch.

[RomaShield27]

Possibly only 12,000 in attendance on Saturday, what a load of shit. Half the stadio closed, no Curvas, no season ticket holders, the cheapest ticket costs €75 (Tevere), sure no wonder. Part of the Distinti Nord will be open, though - for family tickets, but even that is complicated. About 800 Inter fans expected. Going to be a shit atmosphere. I'm just going to buy lots of beer and abuse everyone.

Tribune semivuote: la società spera di arrivare a 12 mila presenze
giovedì 27 febbraio 2014 07:52

(Il Messaggero – S.Carina) «Arrivare a 10-12 mila presenze sarebbe già un successo ». Il messaggio malinconico che trapela da Trigoria, la dice lunga sull’atmosfera che si respirerà sabato sera (da Milano attesi 700-800 tifosi). Dopo che l’Alta Corte del Coni ha confermato la chiusura delle curve e dei Distinti Sud ci si avvia ad uno stadio Olimpico semi deserto. Attualmente, viste le squalifiche dei tre settori, sono disponibili solo tagliandi della Montemario, della Tevere e del settore famiglia dei Distinti Nord. Considerando che le due tribune hanno circa 5000 abbonati, sono 25000 i tickets acquistabili. I prezzi non aiutano: 75 euro per un biglietto in Tevere, 95 per uno in Montemario.

Diverso il discorso nel settore famiglia dove se è vero che sono 700 le persone che hanno sottoscritto la tessera annuale, i 6000 tagliandi disponibili sono soggetti all’acquisizione di un adulto che deve però accompagnarsi con un ragazzo under 14. Tutti coloro che avessero acquistato i tagliandi per Curva Nord e Distinti Sud potranno richiedere il cambio di biglietto per un altro settore (con pagamento della differenza di prezzo), recandosi in un punto vendita Lis. Intanto è arrivato a 533 mila euro (con altri 50 mila in sospeso per Milan-Roma) il totale delle multe recapitate a Trigoria in questa stagione, tra campionato e Coppa Italia. Triste primato in serie A.

[red]

[RomaShield27]

No. Ye mingin' Scottish cnut.

[red]

[RomaShield27]

Precisely. Imagine applying the FIGC's territorial law to Scotland, or any other European league for that matter. The grounds would be half empty.

Italian football has enough problems with attendance levels all across the country, but here we are, in 2014, with the authorities applying an archaic law from the 90's. On top of that, its still a major drama to buy a match ticket, despite the efforts of the 'new' Roma.

And don't even get me started on these plans for a new stadio for Roma. 2020 – anyone?