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To begin with, the maserati issue was dropped in court because it had little relevance to the case. Right now, only a very few conversations came out, but this is presumably the worst of them till date -
(1hr & a half before Inter-Sampdoria 3-2)
Facchetti: Pronto Paolo, sono Facchetti.
Bergamo: Buongiorno Giacinto.
Facchetti: Sto andando allo stadio l'ho detto con i miei di avere con Bertini un certo tatto, una certa disponibilità. L'ho detto con i giocatori, con Mancini e gli altri.
Bergamo: Vedrai che saràuna bella partita.
Facchetti: Va bene.
Bergamo: Viene predisposto (Bertini ndr) a fare una bella partita.
Facchetti: Si si, va bene.
Bergamo: È una sfida che vedrai la vinciamo insieme. Facchetti: Volevo solo dirti che l'ho fatto (riferendosi al fatto che ha parlato alla squadra per non tenere un atteggiamento sbagliato nei confronti di Bertini ndr).
Bergamo: Vedrai che le cose andranno per il verso giusto poi la squadra sta ricominciando ad avere fiducia, a fare i risultati, fa morale…
As you said and as I said too, this is not an Inter's trial but the Moggi one, hence these conversations currently will only be used in Moggi's defence. But it is not certain what will happen when all the conversations will be put infront of the court. An important thing to say here is that in Italy there are 2 types of courts. The sporting court (which relegated Juve to Serie B etc) and the civil court (for criminal offences, where Moggi is currently undergoing his hearing.) So as you said, if a case is opened against us it will presumably take time and I too believe that if there are any consequences, it will only be against the 2006 Scudetto and the year after an eventual verdict. I agree wholeheartedly with you that that famous 2006 Scudetto was unwanted by me too. It sould be deleted from history like the 2005 one.
WHERE IS THE CRIME IN THIS PHONE CALLS ?
little discussions take out of contents ,theres nothing
inter have to answer.
maggi tray to repeat history
just before the 1900 most of the italian governement
was corrupt ,so all got out free and the person that bring the fact to
light end up in jail .the reason ? if all are croocks
is the normal thing ,so all go free
Bergamo: È una sfida che vedrai la vinciamo insieme.
Lomba that can mean many thing ,but i like someone to ask bergamo
what hr mean by that ?
simple as that .
Briz, I'm not saying we have cheated or anything. In fact that conversation took place before a game we probably all remember for being 0-2 down in the last 5 mins, only to turn it into a 3-2 win in the last 5 mins. People might look at this oddly, but I clearly remember the ref. not awarding us a crystal clear penalty for a handball when we were still 2-2. So if people said we had the ref. in our pockets, he SHOULD have given us that penalty. Also I would add that if we were cheating, then God hang our board of directors now for cheating and not winning shit.
What I'm 'afraid' of is not really this conversation, but the fact that Moggi's lawyer is saying that he's leaving the best for the day of the court hearing (13th april). Till now there is nothing serious, but I just hope it keeps that way.
The best scenario in here is to have Moggi get out free with the excuse of 'everbody was doing it, so why cant we?'. If Moggi is again found guilty, then I'd fear the worst.
Army Men plot final Inter offensive Published: Monday 5 April 2010, 10.45CET
Finding "the right balance between defence and attack" is paramount for coach Leonid Slutsky as PFC CSKA Moskva look to overturn a 1-0 quarter-final deficit at home against FC Internazionale Milano.
Leonid Slutsky hoped that PFC CSKA Moskva could make up for the absence of suspended first-teamers Evgeni Aldonin and MiloÅ¡ Krasić as they bid to turn the tables on FC Internazionale Milano in their UEFA Champions League quarter-final decider.
Leonid Slutsky, CSKA coach
It's a always difficult to cope with losing two starting-XI players [the suspended Evgeni Aldonin and MiloÅ¡ Krasić] but we have more than 11 people in our team. We have to make the changes to the lineup, but I really hope the quality of our game will not suffer. I'm not ready to tell you who will replace those players. I don't think the artificial pitch at Luzhniki Stadium gives us any advantage. Judging by the Russian national team's games at this arena and the way Russian clubs have played here in Europe, I really don't think it makes much difference. The most important thing is to get the result. If we qualify without playing spectacular football I'm sure everyone at the club will be happy, but obviously we need to score and in order to do that we need to play more aggressively up front. However we can't afford to forget about the defence because if we concede a goal our mission will become almost impossible. So we will have to find the right balance between defence and attack
Team news
CSKA
Out: UroÅ¡ Ćosić (left leg)
Doubtful: none
Suspended: Evgeni Aldonin, MiloÅ¡ Krasić,
Misses next match if booked: Aleksei Berezutski, Mark González, Chidi Odiah
Inter
Out: Davide Santon (knee)
Doubtful: none
Suspended: none
Misses next match if booked: Walter Samuel, Maicon, Javier Zanetti
Weekend results
03/04/10 CSKA P-P FC Zenit St. Petersburg
• CSKA coach Slutsky said: "The match was postponed due to the acts of terrorism in Moscow last week as the police were concerned that they might not be able to guarantee the normal level of security."
03/04/10 Inter 3-0 Bologna FC
(Motta 29 85, Balotelli 52)
Background
• CSKA have never travelled this far in the UEFA Champions League before. If they overcome Inter they will become the first Russian side since FC Spartak Moskva in 1991 to advance to the last four.
• CSKA's only win in four attempts at home to Italian opponents came in the 2004/05 UEFA Cup semi-final when they defeated Parma FC 3-0 to secure an identical aggregate success, before going on to lift their first European trophy in the final against Sporting Clube de Portugal.
• Inter are seeking their first semi-final appearance since 2002/03 when they lost to neighbours AC Milan. The Nerazzurri have since fallen twice at the quarter-final stage, in 2004/05 and 2005/06.
Da vittima a carnefice: Inter colpevole senza alcuna prova concreta Il teorema di Prioreschi, avvocato di Moggi, si basa sulla colpevolezza di tutti e mira a riscattare il suo assistito. Ma neanche le ultime intercettazioni rendono i nerazzurri 'condannabili'
05.04.2010 10:14 di Fabio Costantino articolo letto 2523 volte
Ma la Procura di Napoli è stata chiara in tal senso: avere conversazioni telefoniche non implica un comportamento illegale, quindi il club di Corso Vittorio Emanuele non può essere indagato. Inoltre, se dopo Calciopoli è legge il divieto di contattare i vertici arbitrali da parte delle società, prima non lo era, anzi, si trattava di una prassi consolidata. Nulla di nuovo sotto il sole. Eppure anche ieri la difesa di Moggi ha continuato a puntare il dito contro l’Inter, facendo in modo che venisse resa pubblica un’altra telefonata, stavolta tra Bergamo e Facchetti, da cui però non emerge alcun accordo sotto banco, quindi alcun dolo. L’argomento è l’arbitro Bertini, ma da parte nerazzurra non c’è alcuna richiesta di favori, o della selezione di un fischietto connivente, quanto la volontàdi tutelarsi di fronte a svariati e inspiegabili errori arbitrali precedenti. La partita in questione, datata gennaio 2005, non offre alcuno spunto che possa alimentare dubbi: Bertini fischia regolarmente, e solo un colpo di coda clamoroso nel finale consente all’Inter di battere 3-2 la Sampdoria, in vantaggio per 2-0 fino a pochi minuti dalla fine. Risultato sorprendente ma limpido, con l’arbitro toscano (più di una volta, in carriera, protagonista negativo ai danni dei nerazzurri) bravissimo solo a fare il proprio dovere, come chiesto da Facchetti e assicurato da Bergamo, che però telefonicamente pretendeva serenitàintorno al direttore di gara.
Cosa c’è di irregolare in questa conversazione? Oggi lo sarebbe, nel 2005 non lo era. Idem per le intercettazioni delle chiacchierate tra Moratti e Bergamo (come l'ex presidente del Bologna, Gazzoni Frascara, ha confermato). Fuori luogo e inaccettabile, dunque, la manovra dei legali di Luciano Moggi, che vogliono porre sulla graticola anche la societànerazzurra, per provare ad ammorbidire la posizione del loro assistito. Ignorando, così, che la dirigenza dell’Inter telefonava a Bergamo per difendersi dal sistema che lo stesso Moggi aveva contribuito a erigere, un sistema volto a danneggiare determinate società(Inter compresa) e a favorire sul campo e fuori la Juventus e i club a essa amici. Un sistema fatto di schede telefoniche ad hoc, di minacce, di orientamento delle designazioni arbitrali e di alterazione dei risultati. Ingredienti di una macchia macroscopica, che ha provocato lo scandalo di Calciopoli e che è stata, in parte, ripulita, anche se tutt’oggi c’è chi insiste nello screditare le vittime di questa bruttissima pagina di calcio.
Per chi avesse ancora dubbi sulla legalitàdel comportamento nerazzurro, torni a dare un’occhiata ai risultati della squadra prima del 2006, anno in cui l’Inter ha iniziato finalmente a vincere e a raccogliere i frutti del lavoro sul campo e fuori: prima di allora solo tante, cocenti, delusioni, a fronte di importanti investimenti (da parte di Moratti) che rendevano inspiegabile l’andamento sul rettangolo di gioco. È stata davvero solo colpa degli errori gestionali e di mercato della dirigenza? La veritàemersa nel 2006 sostiene tutt'altro. The Waterboy dice che rivuole gli scudetti sottratti alla Juve, ma chi restituiràquelli che Moggi ha sottratto, con il suo lavoro oscuro, a chi poteva competere con i bianconeri giàprima dello scandalo di Calciopoli?
Moggi: Ora ti dico quello che mi ero studiato io.
Bergamo: Vai!... Vediamo cosa torna con quello che ho studiato io...
Chi ci metti in prima griglia di squadre? Di partite?
Moggi: Ho fatto di 5, ma si po’ fa ’ anc he
di 4 però! Non è che però Siena-
Messina... mi sembra una partita abbastanza
importante! Mi sembra,
eh?
Bergamo: Poi c’è anche Livorno-Sampdoria
che all’andata è stato un
casino!
Moggi: Sono due squadre che in pratica
so’ un po’ più tranquille.
Bergamo: Vabbè, vai, tanto questo
cambia poco, se ne può aggiungere
anche una volendo, però arbitri per la
prima fascia ce ne ho pochi.
Dimmi!
Moggi: Io ci ho messo Bertini,
Paparesta, Trefoloni, Racalbuto,
ci avevo
messo Tombolini, però Tombolini poi ha
fatto un casino con la Lazio,
non lo so qui com’è, ha dato un rigore...
questi qui erano gli arbitri che io avevo
messo in questa griglia!
Bergamo: Ma infatti io Collina e Rosetti
non li ho mica messi, eh?
Moggi: No, per dirti! Ma gli altri sono
autorizzati a dire:
«Se lo fanno loro possiamo farlo anche
noi»... Non ci devono rompere i...!
Bergamo: Sì sì, infatti che ti ho detto...
M og g i : Questa, questa è una legge di
gruppo!
Due giorni dopo ecco le designazioni:
Juventus-Udinese, Rodomonti;
Livorno-Sampdoria, Tagliavento;
Inter-Roma, Trefoloni; Fiorentina-
Parma, Paparesta; Bologna-
Palermo, Messina; Reggina-Milan,
Racalbuto; Siena-Messina, Bertini;
Lecce-Chievo, Morganti; Brescia-
Cagliari, De Marco; Lazio-Atalanta,
Brighi. Tutto come ordinato:
un sorteggio àla carte.
This is apparently one of the phone conversations Moggi's defending himself against. I GT'd it but it doesn't really give a clear context on what's happening besides the obvious. Any of you care to take a stab at it and clear it up for me?
This is a strange part TBH and I would need someone with a good memory to help. More or less, It's Moggi talking to Pairetto & they are discussing who should ref which match. It is practically as if Pairetto, instead of discussing the issue with the other head of refs (right now I'm forgetting the name), is discussing it with Moggi. That is of course against the law.
However, and here is the part where I would need someone with a good memory, back then the refs weren't hand chosen if I remember correctly, but chosen by lottery. So for me its confusing, but I would assume that somehow, the lottery was faked. having said that, if I'm not mistaken, the possibility that the lottery was faked had been dropped by the court back in 2007, therefore this would have little relevance now.
Also, one must remember that tel. conversations with head officials were allowed back then and also that tel. conversations cannot have any say in court. I would presume that nothing will happen in our case unless something new comes out. It's currently very difficult to be concrete right now and we'll have to wait at least till April 13th before knowing what there is against us.
As strange as it might seem, it would be better for us to have Moggi released from his accusations...Funny but true.
I remember one of the people involved in the case saying they fixed the lottery by having those discoloured balls in the draw which were hard to see if you weren't standing right up close to them. Not sure if that relates to this part of the trial though.
Muntari you absolute fuckin cunt. If Sneijder doesn't play, I hope Muntari is shot.
Scontro con Muntari: Wesley Sneijder in dubbio per domani!
Distorsione alla caviglia per l'olandese a seguito di un tackle del compagno
05.04.2010 16:06 di Christian Liotta articolo letto 136 volte
Fonte: Corriere dello Sport.it
Non c'è pace per la caviglia di Wesley Sneijder: questa volta, a colpire duro il giocatore olandese è stato un compagno di squadra, ovvero Sulley Muntari, che nel corso dell'ultimo allenamento ha procurato al numero 10 nerazzurro una nuova distorsione alla caviglia. Giàuna settimana fa Sneijder accusò problemi allo stesso arto alla fine del match d'andata con i russi costringendo l'ex Real Madrid a giocare gli ultimi venti minuti della sfida col Bologna.
Dopo il duro contatto col ghanese, Sneijder si è accasciato a terra ed è stato soccorso dai sanitari dell'Inter; dopo alcuni minuti, si è visto costretto a lasciare il terreno di gioco senza scarpini, camminando regolarmente, ma con una espressione che non faceva presagire nulla di buono. A questo punto, il giocatore appare in forte dubbio per il match di domani sera col Cska.
Giraudo isnt in jail, certainly. Giraudo opted for the 'rito abbreviato', meaning that he doesnt have a real defense in court so as to have his jury carried out quickly. People say he wasnt interested anymore in sports so whether they banished him from Serie A or not was irrelevant to him, hence his decision. He is currently a director of an international brand situated in UK.
That part about the fixed lottery was dropped by the court back in 2007 'perche il fatto non susiste', meaning that there are no concrete facts and the case cannot be reopened.